Algodoo

Thank you

Please tamper with it as many ways as you like.

I swear that it might be possible. I am building an actual physical model but need to complete it with a ladder chain I am making by hand.

I have the model. I have reason to believe that would actually work, though. Even if algodoo may or may not be representing it properly.

Toy with the length of the springs etc and the mass on top of the chain. I have actually it do this in many configurations. Some clearly are glitch and some are much more convincing.

To the guy who wanted to use it. You can use it however you want. I am just highly interested in this configuration and I have not proven it.

How do you make a friction belt? I am using wire to make a ladder chain for the low torque model I am using.

Well since its so impossible, tell me the tensions on the two chain segments from underneath the gear weight. And explain to me how they influence the gear ratios on both ends.

I truly appreciate your input about how nothing is ever possible but you could also try analyzing what is happening here, mathematically, and giving some sort of logical explanation. I get algodoo has errors but the idea remains the same.

And turning algodoo to 1200 hz slows down every single thing, not just how fast my devices move but even how fast objects fall to the ground. It slows down everything, not changing how my device functions.

When taking my device off the hill and turning the simulation to 900hz - 1200hz, I still get a constant movement forward. Granted the simulation slows down dramatically, it still gives a constant movement in one direction.

I have several of these configurations jacked up to 1200 hz and I'm still getting a movement even uphill. If the weight attempts to go backwards, it would literally have to go upward against gravity so it is forced to roll forward, literally pushing more torque onto the other smaller gear and forcing the other gear to submit and slowly turn uphill. I am not saying that it works but this software is at the highest hz possible and there is still constant climbing.

And just to let you know, I have not just started working on this concept and there is alot of math involved in this silly theory I am trying to relay to software! So do not assume I am going off of some wild assumption!!

Watch what happens when it balances out after a while and starts to continuously gain potential energy. Yes, it is crawling. But if you watch the potential energy of the entire system climb, you might see that it is still moving upward. I appreciate the input. I have watched this thing climb a hill with many set ups. Its a little picky at times and I use other ones as well that I have not uploaded. I get the conservation of energy routine. I am just interested in how well this thing holds in certain situations and of course I am curious as to why it would climb. I watched another version climb all night on 1200 hz.

The velocity was actually slower then what algodoo would display but the potential energy was clearly climbing all night.

And the silly theory is coming from a much more simple setup that happens to have the function csc in it when you do the summation of the forces. So it is just something I have been tampering with because there is a behavior I am trying to show with the asymptotic behavior of what a much more simple set up implied.

I will probably upload the one that I was watching that was just fine with going forward and up the hill at a much higher frequency.

The whole point in this set up is to take the gravity force vector that is pointing straight down and move it into a forward momentum. If you had a acceleration of 9.8ms^2 moving in a different direction, you would have what seems to be perpetual motion. And since the only force could be things like friction, unless that force surpassed the gravitational force, it would be forced to move forward.

Also, the tension underneath the weight on the rope actually surpasses the gravitational force because there are two y components, where the x components simply cancel each other out.

If you truly knew why I was assuming that something like that was possible, you might believe that it was a strange behavior that has actually fascinated physicist before. I am simply trying to discover something of use with that strange theory.

Because both wheels are bound to the ground, neither wheel would go faster. One would have more torque then the other but neither would be able to go faster because whichever one has more force would simply nudge to other wheel along.

Like the guy was saying, algodoo has some rounding issues. If you turn up the simulation frequency in the settings, it supposedly evens out. I have not witnessed that though. It does drop, but never stops the machine from climbing. The guy on the forums are stating the most obvious thing. I guess they were awake for physics 1 when the guy spoke of thermodynamics. Even though gravity is used in the sun to produce energy in our entire solar system, they are under the impression that gravity cannot be used as an energy source. Mind you, gravity is constantly accelerating. If you have enough mass to create enough gravity, it will literally cause a reaction known as fusion. Fusion works because the amount of matter ( energy) is so vast that it creates a force that overcomes the molecular force threshold, forcing new atoms into one and releasing an extreme packet of energy. This energy usually is most noticeable in the form of heat. These physics geniuses can witness such events that power our entire solar system, yet cannot imagine how gravity could be used as a energy source. We all know the laws of thermodynamics. It is absolutely pointless to keep repeating it to people who still believe there are usages that have yet to be discovered. Save your lecture for the classroom. This is just a cute experiment and does not hurt you in any way. The fact you feel the need to justify all of this actually compliments me.

What happens when gravity sits on a rope that is held in place? It rips the rope and creates a difference in the actual molecular configuration of the rope. What happens when you take that same tension and have huge plates push together a chemical? It puts so much force on that chemical that it not only reconstructs its crystallized configuration but even at times reconstructs the entire chemical, creating compounds and even at times new elements. What happens when you put so much energy inside of an atom that it bursts? it creates an almost un-measurable chain reaction that you can only pray would be stopped by other atomic configurations that would need more energy to sustain. We could go on and on about how nothing can get more energy out then it puts in but we would also have to be fully aware of the entire amount of energy available to that system. NOt just its gravitational, potential energy but every single type of energy that could be present in the system! Its not as easy as drawing diagrams and assuming we are aware of what energy is in that damn system!!

I actually used the chain tool for that. I used the custom chain option.

So if that is an artifact for mine, it is an artificat in general because I used algodoo's chain technology to draw that. I simply just made something with two axles, right clicked it and said use as custom chain. Nothing special or no trickery here!

And if you really wanted to make it simple, check the show total energy(sum) of the entire system and see if it grows! Obviously if it grew, it would automatically be breaking the first and second laws of thermodynamics. And of course this one is on a positive slope.

Do not make me go on some rant about how every single practical and useful source of energy has been disregarded by the smartest of our people. We are still living in our great great grand father's shadows. The only difference is there are more bells and whistles to take our attention off of our neanderthal improvements in energy usage.

I have taken the engineering classes and have heard all of this over and over again. That is the only thing I really did hear. Imagine if you ever even known of such thing as a closed system. Then we could talk real thermodynamics but we have never even created a truly closed system. So lets assume that fantasy land exist and we have not discovered all the loop holes. Maybe you could discover something. Or maybe you will just beat your head in realization that many other people have become so frustrated with trying to figure these things out that it was safe to stamp it with an impossible label!

We have not hacked every single possibility. The probability that any of this shit is happening converges to zero faster then a undefined slope could even show.

Please believe what you want. Our sciences are beyond limited and after a while amount to lists of outcomes of unknown reasoning as to why any of this actually is taking place.