Algodoo

hi look deep for this

i'll add it and I want to publish

i can ??

That loos pretty cool!

Thank you

Please tamper with it as many ways as you like.

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Free Energy
I had that idea before but never tried to do it.

I swear that it might be possible. I am building an actual physical model but need to complete it with a ladder chain I am making by hand.

Please when you finish it show us on youtube or something similar.

I have the model. I have reason to believe that would actually work, though. Even if algodoo may or may not be representing it properly.

Toy with the length of the springs etc and the mass on top of the chain. I have actually it do this in many configurations. Some clearly are glitch and some are much more convincing.

To the guy who wanted to use it. You can use it however you want. I am just highly interested in this configuration and I have not proven it.

Well yes, I'm almost sure that it'd work irl. Now calling it free energy is too much (lololoer), it only converts vertical forces to rotatory movement and after it goes all the way down and the chain is taut you'd need to reset it. Try making a model with a friction belt instead of a chain, and crank the frequency up to 600 or 1200 Hz to see if this is real or not

How do you make a friction belt? I am using wire to make a ladder chain for the low torque model I am using.

Regarding "I swear that it might be possible.": No, it isn't, but very cool machine anyways. The system can't automatically increase its energy unless it gets some from outside (solar, wind, human push ...). This scene is mainly a demonstration of the inaccuracy of Algodoo at a 60 Hz time step. Increase the frequency to 1200 Hz for more accurate results.

Well since its so impossible, tell me the tensions on the two chain segments from underneath the gear weight. And explain to me how they influence the gear ratios on both ends.

I truly appreciate your input about how nothing is ever possible but you could also try analyzing what is happening here, mathematically, and giving some sort of logical explanation. I get algodoo has errors but the idea remains the same.

And turning algodoo to 1200 hz slows down every single thing, not just how fast my devices move but even how fast objects fall to the ground. It slows down everything, not changing how my device functions.

When taking my device off the hill and turning the simulation to 900hz - 1200hz, I still get a constant movement forward. Granted the simulation slows down dramatically, it still gives a constant movement in one direction.

I have several of these configurations jacked up to 1200 hz and I'm still getting a movement even uphill. If the weight attempts to go backwards, it would literally have to go upward against gravity so it is forced to roll forward, literally pushing more torque onto the other smaller gear and forcing the other gear to submit and slowly turn uphill. I am not saying that it works but this software is at the highest hz possible and there is still constant climbing.

And just to let you know, I have not just started working on this concept and there is alot of math involved in this silly theory I am trying to relay to software! So do not assume I am going off of some wild assumption!!

Use the "show plot" menu to plot 10 seconds of hill climbing (position(x) vs. time) at 60 Hz. Then hit undo, change the frequency to 1200 Hz, and start the simulation. You will end up with both plots on the same graph. The 60 Hz plot will have a slope of 0.030 m/s. The 1200 Hz plot will have a slope of 0 m/s.

Regarding "a lot of math", analyzing the system from an energy standpoint is usually easier than evaluating forces, torques, tensions, and angular velocities.

When the car goes uphill (at 60 Hz), it increases its potential energy. Where does this energy come from? I'm thinking that it's powered by Algodoo rounding errors.

P.S. I think that you are a smart and creative guy and I hope that my response increases your thirst for experimenting and analyzing instead of damping your spirit. I'm your first subscriber.

Watch what happens when it balances out after a while and starts to continuously gain potential energy. Yes, it is crawling. But if you watch the potential energy of the entire system climb, you might see that it is still moving upward. I appreciate the input. I have watched this thing climb a hill with many set ups. Its a little picky at times and I use other ones as well that I have not uploaded. I get the conservation of energy routine. I am just interested in how well this thing holds in certain situations and of course I am curious as to why it would climb. I watched another version climb all night on 1200 hz.

The velocity was actually slower then what algodoo would display but the potential energy was clearly climbing all night.

And the silly theory is coming from a much more simple setup that happens to have the function csc in it when you do the summation of the forces. So it is just something I have been tampering with because there is a behavior I am trying to show with the asymptotic behavior of what a much more simple set up implied.

I will probably upload the one that I was watching that was just fine with going forward and up the hill at a much higher frequency.

Yeah it's free energy (The Linkage), the rotational force comes from gravity and gravity is infinite
Isodecryptor if you could make a much faster and stronger prototype it woud be wonderful!
Btw, talking about free energy I tried once to build a car wich could be driven by rotational force that in some way could come from suspention friction + wheel friction, this couldn't work realistically in ALgodoo because I would have to script the friction thing to convert it to "electricity" and however use that (not physical) electricity to make an "electric" engine.
What I mean is that I tried to get free energy from the suspension.

The whole point in this set up is to take the gravity force vector that is pointing straight down and move it into a forward momentum. If you had a acceleration of 9.8ms^2 moving in a different direction, you would have what seems to be perpetual motion. And since the only force could be things like friction, unless that force surpassed the gravitational force, it would be forced to move forward.

Also, the tension underneath the weight on the rope actually surpasses the gravitational force because there are two y components, where the x components simply cancel each other out.

If you truly knew why I was assuming that something like that was possible, you might believe that it was a strange behavior that has actually fascinated physicist before. I am simply trying to discover something of use with that strange theory.

It is impossible to gain "free energy" from a set like this in real life. Here are a few arguments:

To roll upwards, the device would need to gain energy in order to turn it into kinetic energy. Since we all know that potential energy RISES(is taken from the system) while the object moves upwards, we can already tell that there must be an energy source which can't be that gear since it's not falling/transforming potential energy to kinetic energy, thus beeing unable to "produce" movement

Gravity is a force, no energy source. If one would try to use gravity to explain the upwards movement, he would quickly notice that the formulas gravity component cancel each other out since the downwards force of gravity is oposite to the upwards movement of the device. If one would gain energy this way, it would cause something to drop, but since the device would rise at the same moment, both actions cancel each other out into a state of balance. Easy formulation of that would be: If the gear drops, what lifts it further up again?

The device would violate against the law that says that there is no way that energy can be produced/consumed by normal means. Anything that would do so would be considered a perpetum mobile, which are known to be non-existend


The only reason why this works is because algodoo bases on algorythms, and these algorythms got tiny loopholes, and your device here is constructed in such a way that these errors stack nearly perfectly, resulting in an increasing energy, even tho that it should actually drop or stay constant.