Algodoo

I highly agree,FRA.
Right now, 2 car scenes that I posted just got flooded by useless scenes which pisses me off.
Well, back to S.A's idea, split Algobox into half then :T

*We should take the marble races, and push them somewhere else...* -patrick star

Faytree - i know you agree with SA But i feel spliting it will make it worse!

And at the other side, I do agree with Cahir. Gosh, I hope that I'm not too lazy to make more tutorials!

I stay to my idea of adding a tagging system, along with name search. This way we can simply add a -Marble_Race tag and we would not see any marble races, while the fans of them could do Marble_Race and they only see marble races. This could be combined with a tag for the autor name, and you can quickly find any scene. Multiple tags and name search is enough to quickly locate any scene. One could set some standart tags then in his profile or something, so he doesnt need to write one and the same tag over and over. The old search system is quite random in my opinion, and this search would help blacking out whatever one doesnt like

Well,FRA. The admins already made one, but these kids are too damn lazy to switch the freaking tags

It should be managed that 1st some tags get set automatically as recommendation, read from the description or the title. then the other relevant tags maybe need to be set(like, at least 2 set tags necessary to submit), so that every submitted scene can be found via tags at least once.

We've already tried doing this... like 10 times...
God, I hope Emmanuel does something

Yeah, but having the game is already a lot of work by him. If there only was a way to make the small guys make big stuff :I

Emanuel does not do anything! -.-

He did not answer me until now.

He is busy, and only looks on algodoo every couple of time i think...

busy sounds like an apology. Nobody is so busy that you could not look after your mails for months!

i really want my pairdecathlon to be scene (bad pun) but marbles get in the way! i wish the top bar was this:
Featured Popular New | Rank Downloads Comments Marbles | My senes |

I have the permanent urge do make jokes about the marble flood in my scenes, but that would draw negative attention to me. The problem is that I cant even find ideas from userscenes anymore because all you get is marbles. maarrbleess. I am slowly but steadily getting mad about this :I

This recent thing about MR/Algodecathlon will be the downfall of algodoo. Ever since the spam started, good and respected users of all alike have been leaving and or posting way less recently. Along side that, whenever a new person comes here they will either fall for the MR stuff and become hypnotized, or be drawn away from it and not touch algodoo again.

Something surely needs to be done but not splitting algodoo in half (Really, that's a dumb and extremely hard to pull of idea)

Like a scene posting limiter would work, like a user cannot post more than 1 scene within a 1 hour time limit. With that in place, the MR fans can have fun while the rest of us don't get annoyed by spam.

The problem is: we dont have it with 1 user spamming 10 scenes per hour, but 10 users spamming 1 scene each. If we make a time limit it should apply to all users, which would mean someone makes his marble race, and in return the nice boys cant publish their scene because the limit has been reached. So an limit for all users is not fitting. I have to admit: it may not be against the rules, but the rules can be changed in case of emergency. And this is going to turn into an emergency if the prior 16 years old users leave and 11 years olds come. Marble races need to be banned in some way from algobox, because algodoo isnt made for dooing stuff that one could do in RL, but for trying the genius physics powers. This in return reminds me of phun, which has limited abilitys, but all the stuff you need for an marble race. So one could take phun, modify it, and turn it into the new marble race simulator 1.9001 . This of coruse is splitting the game, which you probably dont favor. The other possibility is a subforum on algobox, where only marble races should be posted. Any marble race outside this forum is getting deleted, resulting in efficient packing of all marble races.

FRA32 - You must have not been around here a few weeks ago when virtually all out WAR was taking place here on Algobox. I say that because your message scene simply repeats many of the complaints and suggestions that have already been posted at least a dozen or so times over that time period. Emanuel (Algoryx employee) and I came up with posting a message scene where people can post their complaints and suggestions about how to possibly fix Algobox HERE and Emanuel replied to it with some possible ideas of his own, but he left it open-ended as to WHEN those changes might get done. Since I am an Admin, I do occasionally have contact with Emanuel over Skype, but even then, he is hard to het hold of. Sometimes he answers my questions and suggestions right away, and other times he doesn't reply at all. But the one thing that I am certain about is the fact that Emanuel, for whatever reason (busy?) devotes little to no time to Algobox, and I don't believe that anything will change in the foreseeable future. He might devote some time to a five minute "bandaid" fix, but I doubt that any serious time, money, and resources will ever be devoted to fixing or improving Algobox. In my opinion, it needs some fairly significant fixes and improvements in order to bring the website up to current standards. But that will probably never happen.

Marble racer kids are too lazy to choose another group but users who make quality scenes aren't so why don't we pick another group. eg. official scenes contest there's only one marble race in that group. Or make marble race the default group, I think that's a five minute "bandaid" fix which can solve many problems.

so FRA32. So you mean:(for example)

You make (normally) 2 legs,10 parts. (Legs are obstacles/content & Parts are the different scenes related.)


Now you must make 4 legs with 4 parts.



Better?

I did that for my Ultra Marble Race S1

well, i seldom put marble races out, about one per two weeks

It hurts looking back at this scene from 3 years ago and seeing how nothing has changed. Algodox has been decaying for 4 years now and can pretty much be considered dead, except for the algobox staff, s_noonan and the occasional skilled user looking back at it...

Yes, FRA32, it hurts a lot. And the problem starts at the top. I've said this many times over the past few years that the current path that Algobox has taken of turning into a kindergarten cannot change if Emanuel and others at Algoryx won't allow it to change. Because of the fact that Algodoo is no longer a viable, money-making product for Algoryx, they will not devote any time, money, and other resources to it or to Algobox.

Some people disagree with the idea that in order for Algobox to return to its original glory when technical people were making and posting interesting and technically complex scenes, it needs to be split up into two totally separate sections: One section for the children and non-sophisticated users, and another section for the more mature and technically sophisticated users who appreciate science and math. I believe that it can only survive with such a structure because adults and children cannot play together in the same sandbox. That is true in Algobox as it is in "real life". Mixing kids along with adults in the same arena is never a good idea because their interests, skills, and their maturity are on two very different levels which are incompatible with each other. Emanuel's argument for not splitting Algobox is, he feels that the kids will learn how to make technical scenes by learning from the adults and other experienced users, but in my own experience here on Algobox, I know that most of the kids do not WANT to learn new things. All they want to do is PLAY in games that have very simple concepts and which require very little critical thinking or logic. Their mindset is stuck in a world of "Guess my favorite color" and "Vote for your favorite athlete pose", etc. Occasionally there might be a "special" kid who truly wants to rise above that world of simple, lazy thinking, but that is very rare.

The sad but true bottom line to all this is, Algobox is now what it has evolved into and I don't see any chance of it being saved unless Algoryx were to sell it or hand it over to some other controlling party. Of course, that will probably never happen. I think they would close it down rather than to hand it over to someone else.

Sorry for my rant, but I occasionally need to get that off my chest. You are probably the only other person who will read this anyways, unless other users besides me are subscribed to it.

@Xray:I saw your comment too.
Recently I am checking EVERY single comment that you and wild bill do to see if you and him say anything important.

As for my thoughs about the situation:
I am one of the kids here but I still don't like to be compared to a 6 years old.

Unfortunately complex and scripted scenes take a lot of time to make,and if I ever decide make one,I fear that it might not be taken seriously and ignored by the tecno-guys and possibly from some of the kids.

But I must say,most of the kids here aren't stuck in their world,they just do camps because they think it's fun and is a great way to comunicate with others.

Also I saw that wild bill put a limit to scenes that you can post daily.I am NOT against this,infact I even like this new rule but I think that you should post a scene about it just like you did with the "new admin" thing since most people do not know about it and might break it and get banned.

With this comment I am not trying to be rude or cause discussions,I tried to be as calm as possible.
Infact I come in peace.

MasterGamer -- Good points, and very well stated!

Just a note about wild bill and me..... We are both Admins here on Algobox, and we are bound by certain rules and guidelines just like everyone else, but he and I have two very different personalities, and as such, he may handle certain situations a lot differently than I would. In any case, we both try to be fair and reasonable with everyone, but we cannot make everyone happy every time.

And another note about your comment that if you tried to make technical scenes, they might not be taken seriously by the technical people. I had the same fear when I started posting Algodoo scenes back in 2012. I worried that the talented and smart users (like kilinich, s_noonan, and a few other of the guys who have been here since Algodoo switched over from Phun to its current name back around 2009) would look at my scenes and laugh at them or ignore them. But I soon found out that they actually did neither. In fact, they were there to help me whenever I had a serious question which I could not find an answer to by first searching through the archives. Yes, they really got upset with users who were too lazy to do the research, and who wanted the tech guys to essentially hold their hand whenever they had a problem. Other than that, they were quite helpful, and that is how I learned how to program scenes with Thyme scripting. I did have some prior programming experience in the "real world" which helped a great deal because it was my job when I worked at various manufacturing companies.

So, that's all I have to say for now. If you are seriously interested in learning how to program scenes with Thyme scripting, then go for it! There is a lot of good information on the Algodoo forum, but it's not cataloged in any kind of order which makes it rather cumbersome to search for a particular subject. You can ask questions in people's scene comments like this one, but there is no guarantee that you will get a quick and useful response. My advice to you is just keep at it. Download a lot of other technical scenes and dig into them to see how they were made. It will seem complicated and confusing at first, but don't give up. The beauty of Algodoo and Thyme scripting is you can experiment with certain things to see what happens without worrying that you might destroy something. If a scene doesn't do what you were hoping it would do, jut try doing it some other way. And ask questions, mainly in the Forum. There are still a few technical guys who post things in the Algodoo forum, and some of them might be willing to help you with your technical questions.

@Xray-Thanks for the response.

You really encouraged me to do better,infact I started downloading a lot of tecnical scenes to mess around with the scripts.

Unfortunately right now I can't quit making camps too fast,not because I am obsessed with them but because I think that all the people that joined them would hate me and think I am an ipocrit.

So for now I think that it's one of my "resposibilities" to continue doing camps for a bit.

But who knows,maybe in the far but visible future I will stop making camps and focus on Thyme.

That's it,thanks for readi my message.
Peace.