No more "Phun"?

[tgp1994]

This kinda pisses me off a little. The only cool/awesome physics engine is now costing me! only 29.99 after mail in rebate... (Probably more since I live in the U.S.)

I guess it's like they say, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Jrv]

Algodoo: Phun Edition is still a free download at http://www.phunland.com

[tgp1994]

Ya, but I doubt the creator isn't even going to put half of his effort in the Phun now.

[Chronos]

Ya, but I doubt the creator isn't even going to put half of his effort in the Phun now.

no, emil will still be working on phun, but since algodoo is educational, it gets first priority

[link0007]

Phun was a free beta of the full program, which has been dubbed algodoo. There is still a free version, but it's severely limited of course.

[Torpedo]

Tbf, when its free and the phun forum werent up to its eyeballs in adverts i dont think we did too badly for ourselves.

I got algodoo while it was still at discount so im quite pleased with myself, however i think algodoo is 200% over price for personal use. problem is that its not a big name, its not all flying 3D and were also in harsh economic times as it is. £29 is very expensive for personal use, personally, i'd set the price at £20. its a bit lower per sale, but i think you'd get less people whinging about the program being too expensive.

I'm not having a whine or rant here, im just concerned really about keeping people into the "phun" community (hard to get used it being algodoo lol) especially now the phun forum has closed.

Also, back to OP again. its not nearly as bigger issue as your making it out to be that phun is upgraded to algodoo. i made a scene in algodoo today, which is coded to self stabilise (not all codes carry through well im told though) but in this case it ran just fine in phun, infact, if im honest im sure it was running better. And a lot of scenes out there aren't terribly complicated, so long as your not loading one that blatently has lasers in it, your probably be fine.

[tgp1994]

As I seem to remember Algodoo blows away Phun with all of the different stuff in it, I have a feeling that if not now, soon there will be very little similarities between the two programs. Ugh. It just seems like this is all spiraling out of control.

[Torpedo]

Is more features and fixes a problem?

I mean windows 95 went to 98, to 2000 / me to xp to vista...

but would you go back to 95 now lol

enjoy the cross compatability while its still there. (yes i know not all scenes work but a lot do)

[tgp1994]

Uhuh. See? It's one of those progressing things.

And I don't remember any windows OS being free. At all.

[KarateBrot]

oh come on... algodoo is great (apart from the bugs). it's totally worth 30€. instead of nudging you could pay only 30€ to acclaim emil's and his team's hard work with it.

[Sonic]

oh come on... algodoo is great (apart from the bugs). it's totally worth 30€. instead of nudging you could pay only 30€ to acclaim emil's and his team's hard work with it.

$40-50 for a game that is basically a toybox, with no story, characters, or nothing? PLEASE! I could get G-Mod, with 3-D, characters, and millions of diffrent tools for only $10!

[admin]

Tbf, when its free and the phun forum werent up to its eyeballs in adverts i dont think we did too badly for ourselves.

I got algodoo while it was still at discount so im quite pleased with myself, however i think algodoo is 200% over price for personal use. problem is that its not a big name, its not all flying 3D and were also in harsh economic times as it is. £29 is very expensive for personal use, personally, i'd set the price at £20. its a bit lower per sale, but i think you'd get less people whinging about the program being too expensive.

I'm not having a whine or rant here, im just concerned really about keeping people into the "phun" community (hard to get used it being algodoo lol) especially now the phun forum has closed.

Also, back to OP again. its not nearly as bigger issue as your making it out to be that phun is upgraded to algodoo. i made a scene in algodoo today, which is coded to self stabilise (not all codes carry through well im told though) but in this case it ran just fine in phun, infact, if im honest im sure it was running better. And a lot of scenes out there aren't terribly complicated, so long as your not loading one that blatently has lasers in it, your probably be fine.

Please note that the price is €29 (EURO) and not £29 (GBP, British pounds). This is roughly the standard price for a PC computer game in Europe when it is released. A console game often costs twice as much. Online games typically cost €10-15 per month, after month, after month...

[Mystery]

Please note that the price is €29 (EURO) and not £29 (GBP, British pounds). This is roughly the standard price for a PC computer game in Europe when it is released. A console game often costs twice as much. Online games typically cost €10-15 per month, after month, after month...

Your basing every thing to an average of every thing. You can't compare algodoo the GtaIV

"Grand Theft Auto IV took over 1000 people and more than three and a half years to complete, with a total cost estimated at approximately $100 million"
It sold for about $100 US (70 Euro) that 100 is worth the 100 million dollars of work it costed to make. Yes not all games cost this much to make and still cost about the same price range. Algodoo isn't on the same level and can't be compared with this.

The average new game on steam costs roughly $40 these are games like Fear 2, Nacey Drew (Believe it or not it costed $60) Settlers, Raven Squad, Ashes cricket. Once again not the same sort of thing as Algodoo.

Now yes online games like Garrys mod cost money for every update. Garrys mod (10) Has 300,000 users.
Algodoo/Phun isn't nearly that big.

I think algodoo needs to be remerchandised.

[Chronos]

Now yes online games like Garrys mod cost money for every update. Garrys mod (10) Has 300,000 users.
Algodoo/Phun isn't nearly that big.

... garrysmods updates are free ._. you only have to buy it

[Torpedo]

oh come on... algodoo is great (apart from the bugs). it's totally worth 30€. instead of nudging you could pay only 30€ to acclaim emil's and his team's hard work with it.

$40-50 for a game that is basically a toybox, with no story, characters, or nothing? PLEASE! I could get G-Mod, with 3-D, characters, and millions of diffrent tools for only $10!

Aren't you forgetting you need counterstrike source or half life 2 first? lol

[tgp1994]

Which are literally dirt cheap these days. But I reinforce my point, I liked phun as a free, open, continually worked on project.

[Torpedo]

Just noticed, check the discount thread at the top of the board index. If you were a well established member who was a part of the phun community, and can prove it/argue it, you can pm algorex to ask for your discount still.

so you can still get it cheap if you ask.

[tgp1994]

Heh. No thanks. I'm not going to pay for something that was originally free.

[Mr. Universe]

This is massively different than phun. Phun was great yes, free was nice yes, but in the end it was a beta.
http://www.phunland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=9651
If those aren't enough reason for you to buy algodoo I didn't know what your problem is. It has way more than just lasers.

PS. tgp1994 Microsoft DOES do betas/Release Candidates of windows that are free.

[tgp1994]

PS. tgp1994 Microsoft DOES do betas/Release Candidates of windows that are free.

Yes, I know that, I have windows 7 RC right now. The other poster needed to be more specific then

So I guess there goes Phun, dying off.

[Jrv]

Please note that the price is €29 (EURO) and not £29 (GBP, British pounds). This is roughly the standard price for a PC computer game in Europe when it is released. A console game often costs twice as much. Online games typically cost €10-15 per month, after month, after month...

Your basing every thing to an average of every thing. You can't compare algodoo the GtaIV

"Grand Theft Auto IV took over 1000 people and more than three and a half years to complete, with a total cost estimated at approximately $100 million"
It sold for about $100 US (70 Euro) that 100 is worth the 100 million dollars of work it costed to make. Yes not all games cost this much to make and still cost about the same price range. Algodoo isn't on the same level and can't be compared with this.

The average new game on steam costs roughly $40 these are games like Fear 2, Nacey Drew (Believe it or not it costed $60) Settlers, Raven Squad, Ashes cricket. Once again not the same sort of thing as Algodoo.

Now yes online games like Garrys mod cost money for every update. Garrys mod (10) Has 300,000 users.
Algodoo/Phun isn't nearly that big.

I think algodoo needs to be remerchandised.

Rockstar is a multi-million dollar company. Note that it can afford to sell it for 60 dollars because they got millions of customers. More customers, the more money you have, the better prices you can give. It's the same reason why your local liquor store can't compete with walmart in prices. Algoryx is a rising company, and they need to charge more because they don't have as many customers.

[Izzac Newton]

$40-50 for a game that is basically a toybox, with no story, characters, or nothing? PLEASE! I could get G-Mod, with 3-D, characters, and millions of diffrent tools for only $10!

An excellent point

[Izzac Newton]

oh come on... algodoo is great (apart from the bugs). it's totally worth 30€. instead of nudging you could pay only 30€ to acclaim emil's and his team's hard work with it.

$40-50 for a game that is basically a toybox, with no story, characters, or nothing? PLEASE! I could get G-Mod, with 3-D, characters, and millions of diffrent tools for only $10!

Aren't you forgetting you need counterstrike source or half life 2 first? lol

also an excellent point

[tgp1994]

I'm not sure if you read my post saying that those two games are literally dirt cheap now adays

And isn't the idea more like, "The more customers you have, the more dedicated they are, so the higher you can put your price?" It may also be based on hype.

[Frank]

I am irritated about being misled over the role Algodoo was going to play and Algoryx's intentions with Phun. I was left with the impression that Phun would continue about the same as it had been, and Algodoo would be the moneymaker, with some extra educational features and such. Instead, Phun has been dropped. The website is frozen and Phun takes a back seat in the new forum. We are being told that Phun isn't getting any more updates. As far as I can tell, the Algodoo website doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Phunland. This is not what I expected at all.