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Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Mon May 30, 2011 8:17 pm
by PhunWars
Ehm, I'm not english and I don't know what is a hardcore
You mean that i can change the 200 kg box to get more points ?
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Tue May 31, 2011 3:19 am
by Someone Else
I think he means that he will upload a much harder (hardcore) scene where the 200kg block on the trailer is replaced with a 1,000 kg block.
I think.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Tue May 31, 2011 2:19 pm
by PhunWars
That's what I understud
I'll replace the engine with a 21 pistons one then
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Tue May 31, 2011 2:43 pm
by Someone Else
Pistons actually sound good to me now. My cam-spawn thing didn't work...
And I've got an idea for a spawn engine with 96 pistons.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Tue May 31, 2011 9:46 pm
by PhunWars
And how will you fit 96 pistons in the engine box with 7 collision layers ?
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:52 am
by Someone Else
You'll see... if I ever actually get to do it.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:16 pm
by PhunWars
I think we have to wait the new scene with the time counter fixed and the 1000 kg box by the way
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:34 pm
by Someone Else
I did fix the timer in my scene. It uses sim.time, and simply stops the sim when the big black box is hit.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:25 pm
by Luilakkie
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:56 am
by PhunWars
What's this luilakkie ? Hahaha
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:15 pm
by Kilinich
So no limit of tractor weight huh?
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:10 pm
by Luilakkie
PhunWars
This is meant for the hardcore entry
it lifts up the wagon so there is less friction
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:22 pm
by PhunWars
Yes but you just uploaded the tractor, where's the scene ?
Ps: engine doesn't work for me
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:49 pm
by Luilakkie
I uploaded it as phunlet so it can be used in other scenes as well
engine is on but you have to press s to start it and c to put the clutch on d is only to stop the engine in case of finishing
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:50 pm
by Someone Else
I have decided to scrap the radial-piston-spawn thing and replace it with a different kind of spawn engine entirely. This one will be basically solid. It will be inspired by one of Raydeg's scenes that I used in my materialVelocity bug report. However, it will not use materialVelocity. It will just produce a torque.
And I will wait for the hardcore scene.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:12 pm
by Ravenplucker
Wait, why can't we use collision engines?
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:08 am
by Someone Else
I have no idea.
If we could, I would have done so long, long ago.
I would've borrowed TC42's Beezlebub II cylinder, modified it slightly, and would've pwnd you all with an attempt at a 576-piston radial, but it would've lagged too much, so I would've maybe just used 64 pistons.
Then again, maybe I would've just used the rotary c-engine I have laying around. With 48 "pistons."
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:28 am
by Ravenplucker
It just seems so hard to get an appreciable amount of power out of a spring engine...
It also tends to flip over any vehicle I put it on.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:21 pm
by daniels220
Not having used it to power an actual car I'm not sure what "appreciable amount of power" really means—but I built a pretty darn powerful spring engine, a while back.
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It's the rotary type, but it uses 0-length springs instead of negative-damping ones. Negative-damping springs actually push on the engine frame, and cause the flipping-over effect you describe. 0-length is a true glitch and produces power out of nowhere, without external torque. Engines of this type are also ridiculously stable.
I hacked together a tractor that made it all the way, but I ran into drivetrain-stability problems—the engine was happy enough to provide rather more power than I could figure out a way to transmit. I have a feeling I was doing something wrong...
Feel free to use the engine, though.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:22 am
by Someone Else
I also made that type of engine.
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The problem I gave is it produces power at high speed, not low speed where I want it.
So I still haven't bothered to build this rotary spawn engine...
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:11 am
by Ravenplucker
Ravenplucker is confused by how these work!
I will stick with negative spring damping for the moment. And I have a cunning plan to stop the flipping over.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:57 pm
by daniels220
Someone Else: How do yours have such high RPM? It's not the number of circles, they all do... I couldn't quite figure out the magic values by starting from scratch.
And yes, rotary spring engines in general have very high RPM and low torque. That's why I geared mine down. Yours spin so fast I don't know how you'd do the gearing, though.
Ravenplucker: I don't know how they work either, they just do. As I said, AFAIK it's a true glitch, whereas negative damping is a sensible if nonphysical interpretation. They're very easy to build—if you hide collision layers A and B in my engine you can take it apart to see how it works.
Another idea for everyone—it's possible to build a rotary attraction engine with similar RPM characteristics as a rotary spring engine, but higher low-speed torque and a self-starting directional bias.
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:48 pm
by Ravenplucker
But under the rules of the contest, we can't build attraction engines either. ಠ_ಠ
Re: Tractor Pull Contest (READ DESC!!)
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:06 am
by Someone Else
Negative-length spring engines are nothing more than a very useful glitch that was not fixed with the new solver.
And I would've built an attraction engine if I could.